The New York Times recently published an opinion essay from Mary Zigler, Florida State University law professor and author of “Abortion and the Law in America: Roe v. Wade to the Present” titled, “Anti-Abortion Groups Once Portrayed Women as Victims. That’s Changing.” Ziegler claims that opponents of legal abortion have gravitated away from offering legislation grounded in arguments framing women as additional victims of abortion. Reasoning from that claim, Ziegler believes that conservative state legislators introducing more aggressive abortion restrictions signals that women seeking abortions, no longer idealized by abortion opponents, will become the focus of aggressive prosecutions should Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey be overturned with the Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision expected from the Supreme Court this summer. Episode 284 is an in-depth conversation with Journal contributor Jay Watts about Ziegler’s claims.